Thursday, February 24, 2022

Clough42 ELS lead screw project: New Banjo + Motor

 



Working from the pattern in the last blog I fleshed out the banjo a bit and started on the motor mount.  Need to extend the sliding part to include short slot and provide a location for the bolt to hold it down.  That has to go in a slot.   If there is room I will use carriage bolts in the slots with washers that fit over the square part of the bolt head.


The motor mount




The cutout for he belt may need to change and it needs screws to fasten it to the base plate.  Maybe some alignment features.



First view including encoder.  This was done to check clearances.

















Need to calculate belt size range for the motor drive.
The line that translates the motor mount from the leadscrew position is
translate([55,60+slideForView,banjoThick/2])
using 24 and 72 tooth pulleys aks 1:3

The X offset is 55
The Y ranges from
60-25 = 35mm    ... hypot is 65.2  ...
60-0  =  60mm    ... hypot is 81.4  ...

This is not long enough if we extend the slots to the end cutting away some encoder adjustment

         60+35  =  95mm    ... hypot is 109.8  or 4.3 between centers

Requiring a belt of 368.40 mm pitch, what I can find is 

363-3M-06 / HDT Timing Belt 363 mm pitch length

While that is a good working lenght I need some additional adjustment.

 

Figured I might have to give up the slot to make enough room for the motor slide.

This is due to the size of the 3D printer bed 200x200mm aka 8x8 inches.

In the morning I need to take the template to the shop and test fit it with the fixed hole in mind.

The bolt can go between the slot nearest the encoder and the encoder. This will allow both slots to be quite long.


Figuring out what works is slowing this down.  Go figure.



Tuesday, February 22, 2022

Clough42 ELS lead screw project: New Banjo

After working on mounting both the encoder and stepper to the existing banjo I realized it was too fragile.  It has already undergone a repair via brazing in several locations.

I managed to get so far as to attempt running the encoder on the lathe but I was to impatient and broke the belt I joined. Using this tool and tire patching cement.   The cement needs 1 to 3 days to cure and I gave it an hour.








At this point I realized I would be making a harp designed to handle the motor and encoder.  But I had to decided how to make it.   I ruled out fabricating from steel because I don't have a mill.  My next choice was to cast it using cores to form the slots.  Then I started thinking about 3D printing patterns and realized I could give a 3D printed banjo a try.  The limitation here is the size of the printer bed, 8 inches or 200 mm square.  

It took a while for me to figure out how to cut rounded corners in openSCAD.    Maybe someday this will morph into a function but for now I only need to use it a few times so I will alter parameters as needed. 

// Code fragment ot create a curved section to cut corners round.
// The object ccreated here must be subtracted from the oject needing rounding
// after positioning it properly with the first translate.
hubRadi = 56 / 2;
s = 100;
difference()
{
#rotate_extrude($fn=200)
translate([hubRadi,0,0])
square(20,true);
difference()
{
cube(s,true);
translate([s/4,s/4,0])
cube([s/2+1,s/2+1,s+1],true);
}
}


The 'cutter' generated by the code fragment.

It was applied to the boss in the lower center of the banjo template.   The idea was to test the basic shape on the lathe.  It was printed with the body .5 mm thick and the boss 5mm tall to save filament.

The next video was taken while testing 


The next task is to correctly locate and construct the curved slot for the lower, and only, mounting bolt.  I printed a button with a center that fit the banjo.  This allowed the measurement of the distance if at a bit of an angle.

From the boss center to the inside edge measured 112mm, the outside 126nn.

(112+126)/2 = 119


The slot takes a 1/2" bolt.  For the first test 12mm will be used.  

I am going to start by generating a 12mm thick ring centered at 119mm from the hub.  


Created a ring and used two objects like sector arms from the hub to trim the ends.  Added a slot for the encoder.  I will round the other corners and time excess past the curved slot later







// curved slot for mounting bolt
difference()
{
cylinder(100, 126, 126, true);
union ()
{
cylinder(110, 112, 112, true); // hole in cylinder to make ring
// two sector arms to close end of slot
rotate(a = 46, v =[0, 0, 1]) // set angle
translate([0,-10,-5])
cube([130,30,10], false);

rotate(a = 110, v =[0, 0, 1]) // set angle
translate([0,-10,-5])
cube([130,70,10], false);
}
}
// encoder slot
rotate(a = 20, v =[0, 0, 1]) // set angle
translate([-15,40,-10])
cube([11,110,20], false); // 11 mm slot for encoder

The printer was not advancing the Z axis enough it at all.  Stopped the print after a few layers.  It was enough to get the comparisons I wanted.

Used the button printed for measuring the hub to mounting slot distance to register the pattern with the existing banjo.  This image is viewed from headstock looking back.

The curved mounting slot is where it needs to be or very close to it.   Looks like it could be shorter on left providing more strength.  Right is about right.  The slot for the encoder need not have to be in a specific place. It will tighten with rotation about the hub or movement in the slot.

With luck the area between the hub and curved slot is enough to mount the stepper motor.



The encoder in its slot.   The slot need to be a touch wider.  Here we can see that the curved slot maybe a tish to close to the encoder.
















As of now the current plans are to replace the controller on the printer.  The new controller has stronger drivers.  This may help even if the problem is mechanical.  Not sure.  But I have the stuff may as well give it a try. Next step would be new bearings on the Z axis but it seems to be moving easy enough.  Thinking if the controller swap dowes not help I may temporialy counter weight the Z axis.



Monday, January 31, 2022

Clough42 ELS lead screw project: The Encoder

With luck I can place everything under the change gear cover. Use ball bearings where needed so nothing under the cover will need oiling.  Make it an oil free zone if that is possible.

Starting on the encoder end.  Plan is to replace the existing spur gear on the end of the spindle that drives the existing change gears.  It is 54mm in diameter.

circumference = pi * diameter =  3.14 * 54 = 169.56 mm

Am approximating here so call it 170 mm.


circumference / pitch = number of teeth

The GT2 2mm pitch is 2mm.  

170 / 2 = 85 teeth


Pulles were generated with a openSCAD script found on thingiverse.  I patched the script to make keyways with a code fragment provided in the comments by abratjason

Parametric Pulley with multiple belt profiles
by droftarts January 2012

Both the .scad and .stl files are located on a shared folder on My Google Drive.

I settled on 80 teeth.  It is a little smaller but a metal 80 tooth pulley maybe easier to find if I need to go that route. 

This picture was taken to help me visualize the mounting the decoder. If you look carefully you can see the black 80 tooth pulley The large hole to the lower right of the spindle will be the pivot for an arm holding the decode. 






Also printed the silver pulley for the encoder.  I keep calling these gears because they look like a gear.   Sadly the 6mm hole in the center printed a bit small.  I should have expected that and printed a series of low layer count trials to get the fit.  Maybe a 6mm drill bit.  Maybe reprint.  I also used 2 set screw at 180 degrees to reduce distortion.  Not sure if that was good.  Ah well can always use one.

The back pulley under encoder pulley is an example of what printing with non dry PLA looks like more on that later.  This was printed from the .stl on ThingiVerse.

The silver roll was baked and at about the same time as the black so I don't think this is newly acquired moisture.

The back role is back in the toaster oven.











Printed a copy of James's encoder mount.
This was the top of the print.   Apparently I did not bake the roll long enough to get the moisture on the inner layers.   There is a fair bit left on this roll so I effectively dried the outside inch or so of it.  I don't know if I will reprint this.

It looks like the stripe with the circle is an shallow alignment key.  It is not well define on this effort so if I use it it will be filed flat.























Saturday, January 8, 2022

Additional blog Excerpts from Social Media

This blog is being over run with stuff I am saving off the net.
Don't care for that.

From now on all that info will be saved to a new blog

Excerpts from Social Media


Friday, January 7, 2022

Source for southern bentonite

Place tos buy southern bentonite
UNIWEST in Denver

and 

https://theofmp.com/?fbclid=IwAR0shwTs-9a8tFiQIFYxBY2tuINAyLATSmaiwxTa4Ge1J4CNd6RtnGwP1wc

 

Sodium Bentonite Map

This is not all inclusive.  Deposits exist in Texas and Oklahoma according to other sources.
From  Bentonite and Fuller's Earth Resources of the United States  1992


Wednesday, December 29, 2021

Quick note on endmill speeds

Mild steel with HSS tool you can use 350 RPM / 1 inch how it works is if you use 1/2 inch 700 RPm, if you use 1/4 " 1400 rpm. if you use 3/8 then 8x350 divided by 3 which is 933 rpm...Hope this helps

Sunday, December 26, 2021

Machining the Atlas Lathe Motor Pulley

 



Did the rough turning with some old tool I had on hand.  Need to sharpen a good one to get a better finish on the final dimensions. 




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Had the jaws set as outside jaws to turn the feeder into a spigot.  Flipped the pulley around and worked on the large sheave.   Next I will reset the jaws to inside holding and chuck the spigot truing the pulley as best possible.   That should allow me to finish the remaining work including boering.

I had contemplated getting a 5/8" tapered mandrel and turning it between centers.  But the six jaw should work and I own it.

Dec 31, 2021

The mandrel is now back ordered.  The new plan is to drill and ream a 1/2" hole and use the 1/2" tapered reamer I have to turn everything concentric.  Then put it back in the six jaw making sure it runs true and bore the hole to 5/8" and broach the keyway.



Pouring the Atlas motor pulley.

 Did not put much effort into this video.  Pointed out the problems. 


Wednesday, December 22, 2021

Demystifying the B&S No. 6 Plain Screw Machine.

Read most of the specs from the doc on the VintageMachinery.org site last night.  That and watching a few vids has me thinking about old #6 again.

Everything I say here is based on the one specs document.

"DRIVE Cone, 3 steps, largest 11" diameter. 3" belt. Friction back gears. 12 changes of spindle speed forward, 30 to 450 revolutions per minute; 6 backward, 63 to 450 revolutions per minute. Speeds in geometrical progression. 4 forward speeds always instantly available, without shifting belt."

Looks like there is a V belt adaptor screwed to the spindle.  Will look further into that later.


This may have been the selector for the 4 shiftable speeds.   It looks like there are screws in the holes so maybe not.  





















At the rear of the machine there is a large gear.


Large gear as viewed through cover on rear of headstock.















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Near the front of the spindle is this pinion gear.   It, the shaft and the large gear turn together.  The bevel gear behind this gear does not turn.




















Tuesday, December 21, 2021

Calculating the metal for first pour with new greensand

Determine metal needed from pattern

Pattern displaced 367g of water.  So volume is 367cc.

Aluminum weighs 2.7g per cc.

2.7 x 367g = 1015.2g

Determine how much metal the flask can accommodate

Flask diameter is 4"
Safe fill is about 3.5" with 1/2" below top

Flask volume is pi r squared x height.

pi x (2x2) x 3.5 =  43.96 ci

43.96 ci x 16.387 = 720 cc      

720 cc x 2.7 g/cc  =  1944g


Looks like I have a nice margin.

Brown & Sharpe No.2 Wire Feed Screw Machine

My B&S No. 6  Plain Screw Machine is missing most of the knobs and levers.  This machine although a bit newer may have some clues as to what they looked like.



There is also this


Friday, December 10, 2021

First Ram Up with New Greensand

 

Got the mold rammed up this afternoon.   Still need to cut the pouring basin and blow out the mold.  It got dark cold and windy.  Did not want to go over to the other shop to get an air hose and blowgun.  Need to find them for this shop so I don't need to drag them around.

The sand is the green tub is did not go through the riddle I used for filling on top the pattern.
The others should be self explanatory.